1 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,480 MAN: Before we get into the deep stuff, let's just talk, 2 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,040 let's give some basics. 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,480 Remember, when you're answering these questions, 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,400 I'm not in the shot 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,560 and they're never gonna hear my voice. 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:22,840 Oh, boy. OK. 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,880 WOMAN: The first word that I would use to describe Jeffrey Epstein 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,560 other than a predator is 'mysterious'. 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,600 How did he become so wealthy? 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,800 How did he ingratiate himself into the exact right social circles? 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,360 How did he get away without being caught for so long? 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,840 (GIRLS LAUGH) 13 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,560 WOMAN: I never could have anticipated 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,880 how diabolical Jeffrey Epstein was. 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,800 MAN: There's something deeply fucked up with you. 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,960 At least something. 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,680 We know there are things deeply fucked up 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,880 you will get through in this film, right? 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,480 MAN: Where I come from you don't kill my brother 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,800 and walk away from that. 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,080 What are the Epstein files? 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,680 WOMAN: The Epstein files are all the information that the government has 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,760 regarding Jeffrey Epstein and his co-conspirators. 24 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,320 MAN: Photographic evidence, interviews of victims. 25 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:30,760 MAN 2: Emails written to him, 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,200 text messages. 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,280 MAN 3: Court documents, FBI reports. 28 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,600 And it is much more expansive than you had ever even imagined. 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,320 MAN 4: People want to see names. 30 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:45,480 They want to know who the sex traffickers are. 31 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,600 They want to know who the paedophiles are 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:48,800 and they want vengeance. 33 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,440 WOMAN: Do you know the names of powerful people 34 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,880 who have not yet been named publicly? 35 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:56,880 Yes. 36 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,680 Congressman Khanna! Hello, I'm Grace Tobin... 37 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,280 Nice to see you. ..from Australia. 38 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,000 Why do you think it's a fight that has united 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,600 a very divided political spectrum here? 40 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,640 You can't rape underage girls. 41 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:11,400 You can't cover that up. 42 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,080 MAN: Trump opened up Pandora's box. 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,000 He thought that he could crack it open slightly and shut it. 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,240 But the curse is not going back into the box. 45 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,880 WOMAN: I don't understand why the President fought it so hard. 46 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,080 Releasing the Epstein files is about revealing 47 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,400 all of that dirty, nasty, horrible things that happened. 48 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,000 Why would he cover this up? 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,240 MAN: I think he's protecting rich and powerful men 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,520 who participated in sex trafficking. 51 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,440 REPORTER: 3 million pages, 52 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,000 180,000 images. 53 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,320 The latest dump from the Epstein files 54 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,080 after weeks of political pressure. 55 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,440 That moment created global shock waves. 56 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,800 REPORTER: A day of extreme jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer. 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,440 REPORTER 2: Norway's Crown Princess is facing intense scrutiny. 58 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,320 REPORTER 3: Extraordinary news out of the UK. 59 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,920 The former Prince Andrew has been arrested. 60 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:08,840 WOMAN: The Epstein files are part of the Epstein story. 61 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,200 You have to understand how the Epstein files fit in 62 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,040 to what Epstein was doing, 63 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,440 and the failures of the US government in doing their job. 64 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,600 WOMAN: The Epstein story has one man at its centre, 65 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,040 one spider in the centre of the web. 66 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,840 But that web could not have been constructed 67 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,320 without complicity. 68 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,000 Do you think you're the devil himself? 69 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,160 No. But I do have a good mirror. 70 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,760 NEWSREADER: We are going to turn now to the debate in Washington 71 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,800 over the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files. 72 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,920 Today, a group of survivors of the Epstein controversy 73 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,880 will be here on Capitol Hill. 74 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,720 Urgent new calls for transparency from Epstein survivors, 75 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,680 24 of whom are now re-upping their demand 76 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,160 that Congress release all of the Epstein files. 77 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,960 WOMAN: It's an honour to stand here 78 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,640 for something America is finally united on - 79 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,920 the immediate release of the entire Epstein files. 80 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:35,200 There's approximately 1,200 women that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein 81 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,680 and they say other men. 82 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,160 They've wanted justice and they fought very hard for it. 83 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,760 WOMAN: We are more than victims. 84 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,400 We are mothers, daughters, sisters, friends. 85 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,120 And we will not be erased. 86 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,800 MAN: Some of these women have been at this 20 years. 87 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,880 Some of them had, I believe, almost given up. 88 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,640 But the fact that they were invited to the capital of the United States 89 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,720 to speak truth to power, 90 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,240 and that every media outlet, 91 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:11,280 you know, showed up, they're renewed in their efforts. 92 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:17,200 This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein in 1991. 93 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,720 This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein. 94 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,240 A lot of us, it was the first time that we had spoken publicly. 95 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,520 My name is Dani Bensky. This was me at 17 years old. 96 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,840 So we were just kind of standing in solidarity with each other 97 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:36,440 and saying to the world, 98 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,000 like, "There's more of us than you thought." 99 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,640 My name is Marina Lacerda. I was minor victim one. 100 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,560 My name is Gena-Lisa Jones and I was only 14 years old. 101 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,480 My name is Chauntae Davis. 102 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,960 My name is Laura Bloom McGee. 103 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,760 My name is Haley Robson. My name is Anoushka De Georgiou. 104 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,160 My name is Courtney Wild. My name is Lisa Phillips. 105 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,000 My name is Ashley Rubright 106 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,080 and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. 107 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:08,240 When you're a survivor of abuse from a serial predator, 108 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,400 you just have this bond with the other survivors. 109 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,080 We understand each other like nobody else can. 110 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,560 WOMAN: It's been a tremendous mountain to move to get here. 111 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,600 It took an incredible outcry from the public, 112 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,160 huge political will, 113 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,600 and it took the blood, sweat and tears of the survivors. 114 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,680 And that's many, many tears from the survivors to get here. 115 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,560 So we're just heading in to meet with Ashley Rubright, 116 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,960 who is a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein. 117 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,880 And she's only just started speaking out publicly 118 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,480 about what happened to her. 119 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,680 We're this house here. 120 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,640 Hi, Ashley. How are you? Good. How are you? 121 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,760 It's nice to meet you. So nice to meet you. Come in. 122 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Thank you so much for having us. Of course. 123 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,240 Oh, it's still very Christmassy in here, isn't it? 124 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,000 Yes. (LAUGHS) 125 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,480 When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein? 126 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,480 So it was about 2002 to 2003 127 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,200 and I would have been...about 15. 128 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,400 I was going to Summit Christian School. 129 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,640 I was a cheerleader. 130 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,280 I was in dance, like jazz, hip-hop, ballet. 131 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,920 Um, I was working at a barbecue restaurant 132 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,600 and one of my coworkers, 133 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,040 he asked me one day in the restaurant 134 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,040 if I would like to give a man a massage for $200. 135 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:26,120 I thought about it for a second and said, "Sure." 136 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,160 I just remember pulling into his house in Palm Beach. 137 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,200 And we were led into the kitchen. 138 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,640 And then Sarah Kellen came in, his assistant. 139 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,440 Said it was time. 140 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,040 Then Sarah, she's the one that led me upstairs. 141 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,480 I didn't look around. I was just looking down. 142 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,560 So all I remember was the pink carpet on the spiral staircase. 143 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:19,520 And she opened the door and said, "Alright, I'll be back in an hour." 144 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,200 I was shocked when I walked into the bathroom. 145 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,400 But then I calmed myself down, thinking, 146 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,280 "Of course, he's naked because that's how people get massages 147 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,800 "and I should just not be so shocked." 148 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,800 He just kind of laid on the table. 149 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,320 And then he told me how to massage him. 150 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,160 Then he flipped over. 151 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,680 And... 152 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,800 That's... Things got... 153 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,920 ..really way more inappropriate there. 154 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,080 And he asked me to... 155 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,240 ..to take off my bra and... 156 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,960 ..to pull up my skirt 157 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,400 and... 158 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,600 He was touching himself the whole time. 159 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,320 I was just trying not to look. 160 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,560 And he would grab me, 161 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:40,360 grab my behind and... 162 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:47,480 I was just trying to not be there, you know, 163 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,920 at that time. 164 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,160 And... 165 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,400 ..he finished and hopped up. 166 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,520 And... 167 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,360 ..then Sarah came in and led me back downstairs. 168 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,520 I felt shocked. 169 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,560 And then I remember... 170 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,880 ..trying to rationalise it. 171 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,440 It had to have just been like a fluke, a one time... 172 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,280 ..thing that he just couldn't control. 173 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:24,920 I did go back one more time. 174 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,400 The second time, it escalated. 175 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,480 I just remembered Jeffrey bringing over a basket 176 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,320 and asking me to pick one and asking me if I knew how to use it. 177 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:38,360 And... 178 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,440 ..he had me sit on the bathroom floor 179 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,280 and he sat on the edge of the massage table. 180 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,640 And I remember what happened. 181 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,520 A basket of sex toys? Yes. 182 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,800 Thank you for saying that. Yeah. That's OK. 183 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,000 So this was 2000. 184 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,760 And these are all just, like, happy messages. 185 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,360 I read some of my yearbooks 186 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,720 and it was such a drastic change. 187 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,480 Right after Jeffrey, 188 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,160 the messages, even my face. 189 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,920 Everything had started to just look darker. 190 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:33,600 This one says, "We had fun when you're not so mad." 191 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,160 or, "You're sweet when you're not mad." Yeah. 192 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,080 I was angry, and I... 193 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,920 ..I didn't care who got the brunt of it, at all. 194 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,040 Yeah. 195 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,480 I stopped cheerleading, I stopped dance. 196 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,880 And I kind of went from, like... 197 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,080 ..trying to do good to just not caring. 198 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,560 Did you tell anyone what happened to you? 199 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:09,440 Just my friend Sean 200 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,520 but nobody else. 201 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,280 I didn't think there was a story to tell, really, you know? 202 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:30,280 MAN: Mr Epstein, is it true you were born January 20th, 1953? 203 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:31,640 Yes. 204 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,440 Where? New York. 205 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,560 Where in New York. Brooklyn. 206 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,080 Hey, Adam. Hi, Grace. 207 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,480 How are you? Pleasure to meet you. 208 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,560 Nice to meet you too. Thanks so much for doing this with us. 209 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:57,440 My pleasure, my pleasure. 210 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,280 Adam, can you tell me a bit about yourself? 211 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,840 Well, I've been a legal journalist for close to two decades now, 212 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,840 and the Southern District of New York was my long-time beat. 213 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,680 So you see a lot of cases 214 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:19,960 of national and international significance going into that court. 215 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,360 And one of them just happened to be Epstein's. 216 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,040 We are in Coney Island. 217 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,960 Coney Island, Brooklyn. 218 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:49,480 We're right near where Jeffrey Epstein grew up. 219 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,200 And this is actually the Sea Gate community 220 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:53,800 in the distance right there, 221 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,800 Jeffrey Epstein's childhood home. 222 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,920 Jeffrey Epstein had a modest upbringing 223 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,160 in an immigrant community in Brooklyn. 224 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,080 His father worked at the New York City Parks Department. 225 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,400 His mother worked at a school. 226 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,000 And he had a younger brother, Mark. 227 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,320 He had a lifelong fascination with math 228 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,360 and by all accounts, was pretty good at it. 229 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,280 This is The Dalton Prep School. 230 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,680 It is where he got his first job. 231 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,040 Even though he was a college dropout, 232 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,960 his first job was at a very prestigious school 233 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,760 where he was a math teacher. 234 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,560 One of the parents of a student 235 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,600 introduced him to the CEO of Bear Stearns, 236 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,600 a man named Ace Greenberg, 237 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,320 where he got his first job on Wall Street. 238 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,840 (GENERAL STOCK MARKET CHATTER) 239 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,880 We are on Wall Street, 240 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,280 where Jeffrey Epstein made his fortune. 241 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,880 He was, by all accounts, very charming. 242 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,360 Jeffrey Epstein tried to, throughout his life, 243 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,040 make connections with people with money and power. 244 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,480 He was able to get people to trust him very quickly. 245 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,720 He won the trust of billionaires like Leslie Wexner, 246 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,160 who gave him power of attorney. 247 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,920 He won the trust of Leon Black, 248 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,640 who paid him hundreds of millions of dollars, 249 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,200 far above the market rate. 250 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,600 And from there, uh, there is a lot of mystery, 251 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,640 but we're getting a picture more and more 252 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,320 of him finagling people, 253 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,480 uh, wheeling and dealing, 254 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,520 and ultimately became fabulously wealthy. 255 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:11,280 This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper East Side townhouse mansion 256 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:16,400 and the famous, uh, lantern over the door. 257 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,560 He had a massage room in there. 258 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,200 He had the dining room, where he entertained. 259 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,760 I mean, the photos really do tell the story. 260 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,120 Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine Maxwell in the early 1990s. 261 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,840 As the daughter of a media tycoon, with a British accent, 262 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,520 she brought something that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have - 263 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,880 access to the elite. 264 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,160 Have you got drinks? 265 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,160 They socialised with politicians 266 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,400 with big names in academia, finance, you name it. 267 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,560 Whether it was the man known at the time as Prince Andrew. 268 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,200 Or whether it was former president Bill Clinton. 269 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,880 He had his private island in the US Virgin Islands, 270 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,360 a ranch outside of Santa Fe, 271 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:17,960 property in Palm Beach 272 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,800 and in Paris. 273 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:28,080 He was flaunting his jet-setting lifestyle and his massive wealth. 274 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,720 JEFFREY EPSTEIN: Look at me like you love me. 275 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:39,920 I can't wait. 276 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,400 OK, so now I'm walking towards 277 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,440 the lily pond. 278 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,160 I'm here on the beach by myself. 279 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,880 This is my swimming pool - my beach. 280 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,680 No-one's allowed to dock here. 281 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:59,040 The luncheon place. 282 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:01,120 The nursery. 283 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,280 At the point there is the library. 284 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,840 PHILLIPS: It's an honour to stand here again 285 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,120 for something America is finally united on. 286 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:18,440 The immediate release of the entire Epstein files. 287 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,640 So these are just my modelling pictures. 288 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,160 Mm-hm. Like, when I started out. 289 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,360 This is when I was 17. 290 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:37,000 I would send these to modelling agencies to get started. 291 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,240 I was a fashion model in New York, 292 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,920 had worked my way up since I was 15 or 16 years old. 293 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,440 So this was from the actual week I met Jeffrey. 294 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,760 Ah. 295 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,560 The year 2000 and I had booked, like, a really big job. 296 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,560 Our agent at the time, Jeff, sent us to Tortola 297 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,080 on the Caribbean Sea. 298 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,080 Tortola was a small island. 299 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,120 There was really not that much to do there. 300 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:06,160 So the other model was like, "You know, we have a free day tomorrow." 301 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,880 She suggested we go see her friend, you know, Jeffrey Epstein, 302 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,600 that owned an island nearby. 303 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,320 Yeah, we were both, like maybe 22 years old. 304 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,920 Spent the day just, like, playing in the pool, in the ocean. 305 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,000 And there I met two other young blonde girls. 306 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,560 Went to dinner that evening, and I met Jeffrey Epstein. 307 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,000 He was laser focused on me 308 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,480 and asking so many questions about my childhood 309 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,120 and my dreams and aspirations. 310 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:41,200 I had told him in that time that we had shared on the island 311 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,000 that I wanted to be a Ford model, 312 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,480 and I kind of built up this trust with this man. 313 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,800 Getting ready to go to sleep, there just was a knock at the door, 314 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,120 and one of the other young girls poked her head in and was like, 315 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,200 "Jeffrey's ready for his massage now." 316 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,720 And I'm just like, "OK, well, you go ahead, I'm going to bed." 317 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,280 And she was just like, "No, he said for you to give the massage." 318 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,680 Long story short, like, I just had to go. 319 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,360 And so I experienced, you know, sexual abuse that evening, um, 320 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:18,240 from Jeffrey and the other girl that was there. 321 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,960 I think when you're younger, you always blame yourself. 322 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,920 Like, "What did I do? Was I flirting with this guy?" 323 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,960 Like, I went home and I wanted nothing to do with him after that. 324 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,280 And a few months had passed and he called me. 325 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,840 A lot of my modelling castings would be here in Soho. 326 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,040 Right up here, when I was walking, right up here 327 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,120 was where I got the call from Jeffrey. 328 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:07,680 He was very brief and to the point that he had remembered, 329 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,080 you know, my goals and ambitions that I told him on the island - 330 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,720 that I wanted to be a Ford model, big dream of mine, 331 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,720 and that he knew the owner of the Ford Modelling Agency 332 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,920 and for me to go over there and meet with her. 333 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,640 And I was just thinking, 334 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,480 whatever happened to me on the island wasn't good, 335 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,600 but maybe he was trying to make up for it, 336 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,560 you know, by saying, "I remember your goal, 337 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,040 "well, I can help you out." 338 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,560 During that time, 339 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,760 were you ever abused by Epstein again 340 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,840 or any men in his orbit? 341 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,120 So, yeah, I was abused by him again. 342 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,200 And through his connections 343 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,000 where he would sent me on auditions and things. 344 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,360 But back then, I wasn't aware that I was trafficked. 345 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,000 Can you explain a bit more about how the trafficking operation worked? 346 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,720 Well, auditions are castings by Epstein. 347 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,480 So it's like, "Oh, let me just send you. 348 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,400 "My friend is casting a really big film right now." 349 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,160 And you're sent somewhere 350 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,440 where all of a sudden you're propositioned for sex 351 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,760 and the people around you are enforcing it. 352 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,120 Just thought it was the business. 353 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:19,240 Just thought I was going to a casting and audition, working, 354 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,520 and that's kind of how some of the older men were, just creepy. 355 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,200 And I never connected it to a more nefarious ring 356 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,080 that involved modelling agencies and Epstein. 357 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,680 There were hundreds of girls from these Eastern European countries 358 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,280 sent to Paris, sent to New York. 359 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,280 You know, they were doing quite abusive things to these models. 360 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,760 It was like a well-oiled machine. 361 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,320 Fast forward a few years later, 362 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,880 I had a girlfriend who was also involved in this Epstein world. 363 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,040 She had came to me one evening and said that 364 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,120 Jeffrey had made her go into a room, 365 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,600 made to go have sex with somebody 366 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,560 and so she at that time was scared. 367 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,680 I became scared, and we kind of... 368 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,720 ..both kind of moved out of New York at that time 369 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,960 and I never saw him again after that 'cause I was scared. 370 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,240 KLASFELD: Jeffrey Epstein's trail of sexual abuse happened globally. 371 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:33,240 However, Palm Beach was the centre, in many ways, of the sexual abuse 372 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,600 and where his crimes were originally investigated. 373 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,960 Hey there. We're just driving around Palm Beach. 374 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,880 Is there any way to get through or no? 375 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,440 No, not... Is this closed? 376 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,960 Yeah. OK. Alright. Just wanted to check. 377 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,720 Why is it closed? 378 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,320 Because Trump's in town. 379 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,320 So I'm Holly Baltz. 380 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,520 I'm a retired investigations editor from the Palm Beach Post. 381 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,200 Just newly retired. 382 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,760 We, as in the Post, covered Epstein from the very beginning. 383 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:27,760 I never could have anticipated how big this case got to be. 384 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,480 Palm Beach Police first started investigating Jeffrey Epstein 385 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,480 when the stepmother of a ninth grader 386 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,480 at Royal Palm Beach High School reported 387 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:44,000 that a wealthy man had molested her daughter in March of 2005. 388 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,040 This is the east/west route 389 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,000 that goes past Royal Palm Beach High School. 390 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,600 You know, it wasn't just the one girl. 391 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:02,120 Police found that a number of victims were recruited here. 392 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,680 They started interviewing more girls, 393 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,880 and every time they did, it was like peeling back an onion. 394 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,520 Not only were the girls getting sexually abused themselves, 395 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,400 but he also offered to pay them if they'd bring their friends. 396 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,680 Um, and these were girls who didn't have a lot of money. 397 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:42,200 KLASFELD: During Jeffrey Epstein's first criminal investigation, 398 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,760 many of the survivors started finding lawyers 399 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:51,080 who were willing to bring their stories forward and file lawsuits. 400 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,000 MAN: I first got involved in the Epstein matter back in about 2006. 401 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,880 I was working at a litigation firm here in Palm Beach County 402 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,840 and a young girl walked into our office with her parents 403 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,720 and told a crazy story about a rich man on Palm Beach Island 404 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,680 that had paid her about $200 405 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,680 to go to the home and give him a massage 406 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,680 that turned into a sexually explicit and inappropriate massage. 407 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,040 Initially, I didn't quite believe her, 408 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,720 to be perfectly honest, it sounded pretty incredible. 409 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,600 But once I interviewed the police detective 410 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,360 that was conducting the investigation, 411 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:28,880 I realised that this was real. 412 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,920 Michael Reiter was the chief of police back at the time. 413 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,440 And Joe Recarey was the lead investigator. 414 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,840 Correct? 415 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,600 OK. You were like the houseman? 416 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,320 What can you tell me about that? 417 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,480 So he can massage in the morning, massage in the afternoon. 418 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,840 And besides that... 419 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,480 OK. 420 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,880 And actually... 421 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,760 BALTZ: As police officers gathered the evidence, 422 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,240 Epstein put together a huge team of... 423 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,880 It was like a dream team. 424 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,760 All really well-known attorneys 425 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,680 and attorneys who, uh, were very aggressive. 426 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,280 KUVIN: It is widely reported that Jeffrey Epstein and his legal team 427 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,800 had some of the victims followed by blacked-out SUVs, 428 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,520 uh, you know, showed... showing up at their houses. 429 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,640 But they were also investigating the lead investigator, Joe. 430 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,560 And I asked to meet him. 431 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,920 So he picked a Starbucks in downtown West Palm Beach. 432 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,200 And when I sat down and I started talking to him, 433 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,680 his head was on a swivel and he kept looking around. 434 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,760 And I said, "What are you... what are you doing?" 435 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,080 And I'll never forget, he looks at me and he says, 436 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,080 "You have no idea what they're doing to me." 437 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,480 They had been digging through his personal trash, 438 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,560 and he said to me, 439 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,400 "I've never seen this kind of an operation before." 440 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,320 But Palm Beach Police, they were very dogged in pursuing Epstein. 441 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,240 We're police officers of Palm Beach County, Florida. 442 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,440 They kept amassing victims. 443 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,480 The premises occupied or under the control of Jeffrey Epstein. 444 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,760 White male. Date of birth 1/20/53. 445 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,400 KLASFELD: When the first criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein 446 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,200 was going on, 447 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,960 it had originally seemed like something that could sustain 448 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,640 an indictment with dozens of counts, 449 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,880 that Palm Beach Police were building a very strong case. 450 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,840 But when the entire case was packaged up 451 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,760 and given to the state attorney... 452 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,800 ..the state attorney here in Palm Beach at the time 453 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,280 decided not to file charges. 454 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,840 Chief of Police Michael Reiter was so upset at the lack of prosecution 455 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,360 on the state level 456 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,640 that he elevated this to the federal level. 457 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,520 BALTZ: The FBI was keen to prosecute in the beginning, for sure. 458 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,920 And they found very much similar things as Palm Beach Police, 459 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,280 but new victims. 460 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,920 And what came of that was a draft indictment, 60 counts. 461 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,280 However, this giant case that Palm Beach Police 462 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,960 spent so much time investigating 463 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,000 pleaded down to a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal 464 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,800 after intense lobbying by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers. 465 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,200 The charges that they ended up bringing 466 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,760 were solicitation for prostitution of a minor. 467 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,160 It's basically calling these victims prostitutes. 468 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,000 The deal was approved by then US attorney Alex Acosta 469 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,800 and then kept secret from the victims. 470 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,440 And I think that the sweetheart plea deal 471 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,280 was, in many ways, the original sin of this. 472 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,240 KUVIN: It was one of the most awful deals I've ever seen. 473 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,840 There isn't a plea deal before or since that I've ever seen like this. 474 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,520 It gave complete immunity to not just Epstein, 475 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,400 but it included and not limited to 476 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,880 potential co-conspirators Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, 477 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,600 Lesley Groff, and Nadia Marcinkova. 478 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,800 TOBIN: And so these are some of the women who helped recruit other girls? 479 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,840 Yeah, in the sexual pyramid scheme, 480 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,080 these were the people that were really at the third level, 481 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,680 right below Ghislaine Maxwell. 482 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080 REPORTER: Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before 10:00 this morning. 483 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,960 He pleaded guilty in open court. 484 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,040 He agreed to serve a total of 18 months 485 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,640 in a Palm Beach detention facility. 486 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,040 People who commit sex crimes against minors 487 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,840 go to prison for a very long time. 488 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,560 Not Jeffrey Epstein. 489 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,040 He was sentenced to 18 months in jail. 490 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,480 He could get work release for 12 hours a day, six days a week. 491 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,920 FREEMAN: He wound up being in a cushy jail 492 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,920 where he was the only person in that wing. 493 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,840 He could go out, go to his office, take a walk on the beach, 494 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,040 do whatever he wanted during the day. 495 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,920 That's no kind of punishment. 496 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,880 KUVIN: We had been litigating against Epstein 497 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,240 on behalf of one of my clients. 498 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,280 He was being allowed out during days. 499 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,840 So we noticed Epstein for deposition. 500 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,640 Could you please give us your name? Jeffrey Epstein. 501 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,600 So I wanted him to realise I didn't care who he was, 502 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,920 what his power was, what his status was, 503 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,440 I was gonna ask him the most embarrassing possible thing I could. 504 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,000 Is it true, sir, that, um... 505 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,040 ..you have what's been described as an egg-shaped penis? 506 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,480 He hears me ask the question, watch him look at his lawyers, 507 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,400 like, "Can you believe he's asking me this?" 508 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,520 MAN: And I'm going to give you the first warning, Mr Kuvin. 509 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,800 I had been the first lawyer to ask him any questions 510 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,040 in the cases that had been filed. 511 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,320 One witness described your penis as oval-shaped, 512 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,720 thin and small towards the head portion. 513 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,120 See, he's angry. He's ready to walk out the door. 514 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,440 And then he sees that the attorneys are gonna talk. 515 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,000 That serves no other purpose other than embarrass Mr Epstein. 516 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,440 It's just totally unethical. It's improper. 517 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,960 The purpose of that question is 518 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,960 how could a 14-year-old know what his private part looked like? 519 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,160 That question was directly relevant to the claims in the case. 520 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,840 The deposition is terminated at this point. 521 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,080 OK. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Thank you. 522 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,080 Shortest deposition I've ever taken. (LAUGHS) 523 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,640 Ever. Ever. 524 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,840 Wow. So he probably is feeling pretty confident at this point 525 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,000 that he's gotten away with this. Pretty much. Yeah. 526 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,520 I mean, he had done his deal, 527 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,680 and now he was just getting through the civil cases, 528 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,800 thinking that it was all over and all done. 529 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,120 NEWSREADER: A few steps, a smile and a wave to the deputy at the door. 530 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,920 We watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of jail. 531 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,040 Epstein served 13 months of an 18-month sentence. 532 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,000 MAN: He's very happy that his jail sentence is over 533 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,720 and he can begin a new chapter in his life. 534 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,920 KLASFELD: When Jeffrey Epstein got out of jail, 535 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,720 the fact that he was prosecuted, 536 00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:46,560 the fact that he was a registered sex offender 537 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,480 didn't seem to stand in the way 538 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,600 of his re-entry into high society, wealth and power. 539 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,200 The power and influence he had convinced a lot of people 540 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,480 to look the other way. 541 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,560 Prince Andrew looked the other way. 542 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,120 We also saw Bill Gates meeting with Epstein, despite his past. 543 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,440 WOMAN: He was some sort of soothsayer, apparently, 544 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,840 to a lot of these men that were asking him for advice. 545 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,400 I think that a lot of people probably knew 546 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,400 that everything was not on the up and up, 547 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,120 but for whatever reason, they wanted to be a part of his inner circle. 548 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,080 I had a reporter who was covering Epstein every step of the way. 549 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:41,160 It was difficult to get people to pay attention. 550 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,160 They felt like he had served his time and there you go. 551 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,000 Epstein's conviction wasn't even a speed bump. 552 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,120 I've been researching and writing about child trafficking 553 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,160 since 2002, 2003, 554 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,960 and I had this intuition that Jeffrey Epstein 555 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,080 was very similar to the network that I'd investigated, 556 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:09,120 and I just felt that something was seriously wrong. 557 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,440 So in 2012, I went down to Florida 558 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,840 and I had the good fortune of getting the black book. 559 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,880 The black book is just a list of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts. 560 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,920 It has billionaires, 561 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,920 some people in showbiz, 562 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,680 captains of industry. 563 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,960 Um, and multiple girls were in the black book. 564 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,000 I started talking to some of the girls, 565 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,360 and they told me that they'd been flown here or flown there 566 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,120 and then one told me that she'd been flown to an island. 567 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,040 So in 2012, 568 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,160 I believed Jeffrey Epstein was running a network. 569 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,760 And I also had the flight logs. 570 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,400 So were these the flight logs just for his private plane, then? 571 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,520 Yes. 572 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,280 Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, 573 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,680 Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers. 574 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,800 I mean, there were a number of very powerful people 575 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,840 that were flying with Jeffrey Epstein. 576 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,840 And there were a number of girls on the flight logs, 577 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,120 and I assumed that some of them were minors. 578 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,720 I worked on getting that story published for three years, 579 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:38,360 and finally Gawker stepped up and published my work. 580 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,000 The mainstream media just didn't want to embrace it. 581 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,400 KLASFELD: After that point, we would get glimpses of information. 582 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,600 Virginia Giuffre, one of the Epstein survivors from Palm Beach, 583 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,760 had moved to Australia after escaping Jeffrey Epstein. 584 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,000 She claimed that she was trafficked to then-Prince Andrew 585 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,680 when she was a minor. 586 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,560 She was 17 at the time. 587 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,760 Can you tell me about the photo that she provided 588 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,680 to a newspaper in 2011? 589 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,960 Virginia Giuffre had produced a now infamous photograph 590 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,160 of her, then-Prince Andrew 591 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,200 and Ghislaine Maxwell. 592 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,920 Andrew claimed that it was a fake 593 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,320 and denied criminal wrongdoing. 594 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,600 BRYANT: Thing about Virginia is 595 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,280 she'd been with Epstein for a couple of years 596 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,600 and he had taken her everyplace. 597 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,240 So she was pretty knowledgeable about his network 598 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:47,720 and she was launching civil suits, 599 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:52,360 and she named Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell as perpetrators 600 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,960 who trafficked her 601 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,800 to his rich and powerful cronies. 602 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,640 But she wasn't being taken seriously by the media. 603 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,160 Jeffrey Epstein very aggressively bullied media organisations 604 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,640 that tried to look under that rock. 605 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,800 Things remained kind of dormant for a number of years, 606 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,760 until another story came out of the Miami Herald 607 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,760 and a reporter that went back and looked at some of the deals 608 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,720 that were struck with Jeffrey Epstein. 609 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:32,360 Julie Brown, her reporting really opened up the case. 610 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,000 One second. 611 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,680 Oh, you're calling Julie? 612 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,480 Good morning. 613 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,120 Good morning. How are you? I'm wonderful. 614 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,840 I have a very pleasant Australian reporter here in my office 615 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,640 uh, that would like to chat with you 616 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,480 if you could give her time. 617 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,600 Hang on. OK. 618 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,200 Hi, Julie. 619 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,920 I've been contacted by a lot of people... 620 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,600 Yeah, I can imagine. ..hard to keep it straight but... 621 00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,880 Yeah. 622 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,680 Yeah, give me a call. But this week is not a good week. 623 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,480 So we can talk about it later. OK. Yeah, sure. 624 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,040 Hey, Julie. I'm so glad we could make this happen. 625 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,800 Yes. (BOTH CHUCKLE) 626 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,040 Persistence pays off, right? Yep. It's OK. 627 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,880 Especially since you were willing to come all the way to Philadelphia. 628 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,000 I thought, "Oh, my God. This girl's never gonna give up. 629 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,800 "I might as well just get it over with." 630 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,240 Tell me how you came to investigate Jeffrey Epstein. 631 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:44,320 Well, I started investigating it right before the election in 2016. 632 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,480 Most journalists in America knew, you know, 633 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,120 something about the Jeffrey Epstein case, 634 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,760 especially Epstein's sweetheart deal. 635 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,600 Very lenient plea deal. 636 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,760 And there was a lot of stories about, 637 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,080 "How did he get this deal? This doesn't make any sense." 638 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,640 But nothing that I could find really showed me 639 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,800 how he got away with this crime. 640 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,600 And so I just started requesting the records, 641 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,440 not knowing where it was going to lead me. 642 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,080 Somehow, I got a list of almost a hundred victims. 643 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:23,440 In the end, I had like four victims that were willing to go and talk. 644 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,440 And in the middle when I was doing that, 645 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,880 Trump nominated Alexander Acosta to be Labor secretary. 646 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,560 I want to thank President Trump for the privilege of serving. 647 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,640 Acosta was the US Attorney in Miami 648 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,560 that signed off on Epstein's sweetheart deal. 649 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,120 I, Alexander Acosta, do solemnly swear... 650 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,840 So then I pitched a story that we would go to the victims 651 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,720 and ask them, you know, what they think about the man 652 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,080 that let their predator off the hook, 653 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,800 who is now, by the way, in charge 654 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,360 of one of the largest government agencies in the country 655 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,880 with oversight of human trafficking. 656 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,440 It was a high pressure story 657 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,880 because it involved a lot of important people. 658 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,320 It was going to be put online very early in the morning, 659 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,960 so we sort of braced ourselves, I guess you could say. 660 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,200 And at the time that morning, there was a funny story 661 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,760 that was at the top of our leaderboard. 662 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,680 My story was at the very bottom. 663 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,040 And so I packed everything up. I thought, "That's it for the day. 664 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,080 "You know, I'm going to take the day off." 665 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,920 And I was getting all ready and another reporter said to me, 666 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,320 "Julie, look at this story." 667 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,880 And it was going boom, boom, boom. 668 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,600 We are going to begin with a much closer look 669 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,240 at the disturbing case of Jeffrey Epstein. 670 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,720 Joining me this morning is Julie Brown of the Miami Herald. 671 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,320 Investigative reporter behind the Miami Herald expose... 672 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,400 Julie Brown, let me ask you, set the scene for us. 673 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,240 KUVIN: This story uncovered this underbelly of society, 674 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:56,840 of the rich and powerful 675 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,520 and what they were doing to people who were less powerful. 676 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,880 KLASFELD: The Miami Herald series 677 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,760 drops in November 2018. 678 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,560 It had such an impact that by July of the following year, 679 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,720 Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and charged with sex trafficking. 680 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,240 REPORTER: Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested 681 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,320 for alleged sex trafficking of young girls, 682 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,480 and agents have been coming in and out of his Manhattan mansion 683 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,480 all morning. 684 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,440 MAN: Epstein is charged in a two-count indictment. 685 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,480 First - conspiracy to commit sex trafficking 686 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,360 and second, sex trafficking of underage girls, 687 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,080 beginning in at least 2002 and continuing until 2005 688 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,160 at his mansion in New York and in Palm Beach, Florida. 689 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,280 I'm not going into any dealings with main justice, 690 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,920 I will say that we were assisted 691 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,400 from some excellent investigative journalism. 692 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,480 BROWN: I just got a call from the news desk saying, 693 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,360 "We just got something over the wire 694 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,560 "that said that Epstein's been arrested." 695 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,760 I was like, oh, you know, it was incredible. 696 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,720 I was just... I couldn't believe it. 697 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,160 Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin. 698 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,320 Thanks so much for taking the time to talk to me today. 699 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,360 Sure. 700 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,080 When your brother was arrested, 701 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,200 can you tell me what that was like, that moment? 702 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:25,480 Jeffrey gets arrested, you know, we spoke the night before. 703 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,040 He called me from Paris. 704 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,640 Just a normal, you know, "What's new? How you doing?" call. 705 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,880 And then he flies home the next day and he gets arrested. 706 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,480 BROWN: I wanted to be at his first court appearance the next day. 707 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,920 He looked like such a small man. 708 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,240 You know, small, frail, you know, human being. 709 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:52,160 Um, just looked lost, quite frankly. 710 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,920 I don't think he ever thought he was going to be rearrested. 711 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,040 REPORTER: Now, yesterday, we were there in court. 712 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,360 His attorneys are arguing that Epstein struck a deal 713 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,760 with federal prosecutors in Florida over similar crimes, 714 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,200 granting him immunity after he pleaded guilty 715 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,240 to a lesser charge. 716 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:10,520 The US attorney who struck that deal is Alexander Acosta. 717 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,480 BROWN: At that point, the media started in Washington asking Trump, 718 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,120 "What's going to happen with Alexander Acosta?" 719 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,200 Good afternoon. 720 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,800 And I remember that Acosta did have a press conference. 721 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,160 We believe that we proceeded appropriately. 722 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,800 There was value to getting a guilty plea and having him registered. 723 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,560 Thank you very much. Thank you. 724 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,560 BROWN: And I just remember listening to him, 725 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,680 thinking, "These are all excuses. 726 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,360 "They don't work anymore." 727 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,400 And apparently it didn't work 728 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,840 because he then, um, you know, resigned. 729 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,160 And so I called the President this morning. 730 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,240 I told him that I thought the right thing was to step aside. 731 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:02,400 (REPORTERS CLAMOUR) 732 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,040 FREEMAN: Finally, it seemed like the government 733 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,080 was actually taking this seriously 734 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,240 by charging Epstein with serious crimes, 735 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:10,720 sex trafficking. 736 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:14,680 And after that, other victims started to realise, "I'm not alone." 737 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,560 RUBRIGHT: When he was arrested, a lot of us were happy 738 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,920 that there was a second chance for possibly some actual justice, 739 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,160 because what happened in 2008 wasn't justice 740 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,160 or him being held accountable. 741 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,000 And at that point, 742 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,080 I reached out to the FBI and I was like, uh... 743 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,200 .."Here's another one of us," you know? 744 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,920 Um, "And I-I want to be a part of bringing him down." 745 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,240 KLASFELD: Jeffrey Epstein was staying at 746 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,400 the rather notorious prison 747 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,240 where people await trial on serious offences 748 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,280 in the Southern District of New York. 749 00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:16,080 MAN: The Metropolitan Correctional Centre in Manhattan 750 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,600 is an environment completely foreign to Jeffrey Epstein. 751 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,280 The conditions were filthy. 752 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,360 Rodents, cockroaches all over the place. 753 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,760 I agreed to represent him 754 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,640 and I met with him. 755 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,120 But just before that, there was this incident 756 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,720 in which there was a suggestion 757 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,040 that he tried to commit suicide. 758 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,920 REPORTER: The multi-millionaire and convicted sex offender 759 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,160 is now on suicide watch after he was found injured in his jail cell. 760 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,680 SCHOEN: I met with Jeffrey Epstein on August 1st 761 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,600 for about five or six hours. 762 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,720 He denied that he had tried to commit suicide. 763 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,320 The story that he told about what had happened 764 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,960 was that the cellmate he had 765 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,800 forced him to put a rope around his neck, 766 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,960 something, and pulled it, um, 767 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,800 just to see the reaction Epstein would have. 768 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,080 But he told the correctional officers 769 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,640 that he couldn't remember what had happened 770 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,200 because he was afraid if he got that guy in trouble, 771 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,760 that he would have trouble himself. 772 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,880 TOBIN: How was Jeffrey Epstein's mood that day when you look back? 773 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,320 Good. I mean, he, again, he didn't like being in the jail. 774 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,440 Um, but he was adamant about wanting to fight the case, 775 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,960 and he was energised by our meeting. 776 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,160 I think he thought he had a strong legal argument, 777 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,640 for example, on the agreement that he had made 778 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,520 that he felt would have barred his prosecution. 779 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:38,800 But nine days later, 780 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,840 the last thing I would have imagined at the time happened. 781 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,880 NEWSREADER: NBC News has learned 782 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,560 that disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein is dead. 783 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,680 NEWSREADER 2: Sources telling ABC News 784 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,560 that accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide. 785 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,160 MAN: It appeared that he had hung himself 786 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,240 We're trying to figure out if he was still on suicide watch. 787 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,920 KLASFELD: It was astonishing. 788 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,640 This is someone who is being prosecuted for historic crimes. 789 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,400 The world's attention is on this. 790 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,760 How is this man allowed to turn up dead? 791 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,200 MARK EPSTEIN: And then the next thing I know, I hear on the news 792 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,480 that Jeffrey was found dead from an apparent suicide. 793 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,000 And at first, I had... I had no reason to doubt it, 794 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,840 because, you know, he was in jail 795 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,640 and was facing a long time in jail, potentially. 796 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,400 And I knew he wouldn't want to live that way in jail. 797 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,040 So, I had no reason to doubt it 798 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,920 and I accepted that he committed suicide. 799 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,120 Anyway, the next day, I had to come back to New York 800 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,600 to identify his body. 801 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,320 As a family member, I had the right 802 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,640 to have my own pathologist at the autopsy. 803 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,880 You know, just to see everything was done right. 804 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,360 I spoke to his brother, I insisted that the person I consider to be 805 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,280 the top forensic pathologist in the world 806 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,920 participate in an independent autopsy. 807 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:06,920 So, his name is Michael Baden. 808 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:13,280 I was medical examiner for the New York State Police for 25 years 809 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,960 and did more than 20,000 autopsies. 810 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,920 In this instance, I was asked to attend the autopsy 811 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,760 that was going to be done the next day. 812 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,280 The history was that he was found having committed suicide 813 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,920 by hanging in his jail cell. 814 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,560 When looking at the body, there was 815 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,480 a little odd situation there because the ligature furrow 816 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,680 around the neck was horizontal. 817 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,120 In a suicidal hanging, 818 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,960 the ligature mark is usually 819 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,840 up the high part of the neck and goes upwards. 820 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,960 And then the moment of surprise, 821 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,320 there were three fractures - 822 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,480 two of the thyroid cartilage, 823 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,760 which is the Adam's apple, 824 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,840 and one of the hyoid bone. 825 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,600 In 50 years of doing this, I've never seen that. 826 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,400 That's much more common, 827 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,240 a crushing injury, in a homicidal strangulation. 828 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,000 So, I think, at that point, 829 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,800 there was concern as to whether it was suicide as thought or not. 830 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,120 SCHOEN: So, the medical examiner of New York City, who conducted it, 831 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,640 she said that it was inconclusive - 832 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,040 she couldn't say it was suicide. 833 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,880 BADEN: But then her boss, three or four days later, 834 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,280 changed it to suicide. 835 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,200 MARK EPSTEIN: And then, OK, now all kinds of questions start coming up 836 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,560 and wheels start turning. 837 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,840 (HORN BLARES) 838 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,960 Barbara Sampson, the chief medical examiner - 839 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,000 and she was not at the autopsy - 840 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,960 and so she comes up with the conclusion of suicide based on what? 841 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,720 NEWSREADER: Tonight, Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys questioning 842 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,840 whether his death was a suicide, saying they will even 843 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,080 pursue, quote: 844 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,320 And it turned out somehow, magically, 845 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,480 the cameras malfunctioned that day 846 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,200 or was in a place where the camera didn't reach. 847 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,200 So, this is now a correctional officer taking an inmate down. 848 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,960 This is supposed to be Jeffrey Epstein now. 849 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,160 You're talking about August 9th, at almost 8:00 in the evening. 850 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,800 August 10th is when he was dead. 851 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,360 Do you think it's suspicious 852 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,320 that there's only this one camera angle available? 853 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,400 That that's the only image? 854 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,480 If that's accurate, yes, I do, I think it's suspicious. 855 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,040 And, um, you might say coincidental that the cameras are malfunctioning, 856 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,720 you know, around that time, but pretty unbelievable. 857 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,560 There were so many anomalies that night. 858 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,640 His cellmate had been taken out, 859 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,960 the guards were sleeping, 860 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,560 the cameras were down. 861 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,480 All of these mysterious things fuelled a lot of conspiracy theories. 862 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,640 There's just no way you can hang yourself 863 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,360 off of a bunk bed at that height. 864 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,760 I think we have found Jeffrey Epstein's killer. 865 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,000 And it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States, 866 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,080 and he got murdered in it. 867 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,600 Who has the power to do that? 868 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,520 I've been studying conspiracy theories for 15 years. 869 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,560 When I polled Americans asking them what they thought about his death, 870 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,640 half the country thought it was a conspiracy, 871 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,120 that he was killed by people 872 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,320 who were trying to cover up their involvement with him. 873 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,400 And you don't normally get, 874 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,960 uh, conspiracy theories getting half the country to buy in. 875 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,800 Yeah, I don't believe any conspiracy theory, 876 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,880 but the fact that he wanted to fight this case, 877 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,440 uh, until the day before he died, 878 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,960 um, says to me that it's unlikely he committed suicide. 879 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,080 MARK EPSTEIN: I believe he was murdered. 880 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,840 And if they do a real investigation and they talk to the right people, 881 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,360 they could figure out what actually took place. 882 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,400 Do you believe that Epstein committed suicide? 883 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,120 No. No, I just don't believe it. 884 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,120 Um...no. 885 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,400 He had only been there for a month. 886 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,400 I just think it was too soon for him to throw in the towel. 887 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,320 PHILLIPS: From the Jeffrey Epstein that I knew, 888 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,320 no, I don't think he killed himself, I just don't. 889 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,200 And I believe he always thought he was going to get out of it. 890 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,080 MAN: He knew that he wasn't going to get the slap on the wrist this time. 891 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,600 Uh, very damaging documents in the case came out, 892 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,640 two days before, he changed his will. 893 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,160 A lot of people think he might have been killed, 894 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,760 others think he killed himself. 895 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,600 LEVINE: I really think he decided to take his life. 896 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,960 That was the last bit of control that he had. 897 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,320 BALTZ: When I heard about that, 898 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,600 I just...I was heartbroken for these girls. 899 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,480 NEWSREADER: A federal judge has officially dismissed 900 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,720 the criminal case against Jeffrey Epstein. 901 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,720 BALTZ: They have never gotten justice, 902 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:24,720 and, you know, they didn't deserve this. 903 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,240 PHILLIPS: I was going through my own feelings in 2019 when he died. 904 00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,520 Uh, he was kind of a mentor to me, 905 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,240 but he was also my abuser. 906 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:38,560 Um, so, it was a very confusing time for me, 907 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,760 and I wanted to know answers about my life. 908 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,440 So I reached out at that time to other survivors 909 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,680 and called Virginia. 910 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,480 I had my first conversation with her. 911 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,640 There's just something that she had in her 912 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,120 that I looked up to 913 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,600 and I really thought was very brave. 914 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,600 BALTZ: We are here in Loxahatchee Groves, 915 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,600 which is a rural part of Palm Beach County, 916 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,720 in which Virginia Roberts Giuffre grew up. 917 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,240 Not terribly affluent. 918 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,560 GIUFFRE: I was recruited at a very young age 919 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:26,400 from Mar-a-Lago and entrapped in a world that I didn't understand, 920 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,680 and I've been fighting that very world to this day. 921 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,200 And I won't stop fighting. I will never be silenced. 922 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:38,440 BALTZ: And here we have Mar-a-Lago, President Trump's, uh, private club. 923 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,800 Virginia Giuffre was a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago, 924 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,960 and Ghislaine Maxwell used to go there for massages. 925 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,240 Ghislaine Maxwell asked her if she wanted to learn to be a masseuse 926 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,640 and to come to Epstein's house, 927 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,920 and that was where she suffered the first abuse. 928 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,080 LAWYER: Do you know Virginia Roberts? 929 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,000 So, she's... Say again, who? 930 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,240 Virginia Roberts. 931 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,680 Can you spell it? 932 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,520 Common spelling. Can you spell it for me, please? 933 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,920 R-O-B-E-R-T-S. 934 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,560 And, just for the record, I can only spell it the way that it was spelled 935 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,080 in your flight logs from your airplane. 936 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,000 Virginia Roberts Giuffre was instrumental 937 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,680 in this story coming forward. 938 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,640 She is the reason, to a very large extent, 939 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,200 that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 940 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,800 were even prosecuted, 941 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,320 because of the trail, of the public record 942 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,760 that she left in her civil lawsuits. 943 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,560 BROWN: Virginia Giuffre was not only key in exposing Jeffrey Epstein, 944 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,240 you know, she named names of other people, 945 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,800 such as Prince Andrew. 946 00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,640 NEWSREADER: Abuse allegations that have been plaguing the Prince 947 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,480 for years now laid bare on prime-time TV. 948 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,280 Virginia Roberts Giuffre alleges Prince Andrew 949 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,400 first sexually abused her at Ms Maxwell's London home. 950 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,240 GIUFFRE: Ghislaine woke me up in the morning and said, 951 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,720 "You're gonna meet a prince today." 952 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,720 I didn't know at that point 953 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,280 that I was going to be trafficked to that prince. 954 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,600 And Ghislaine said, "He's coming back to the house, 955 00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,360 "and I want you to do for him what you do for Epstein." 956 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,160 EMILY MAITLIS: One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts... 957 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,640 Yeah. ..has made allegations against you. 958 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,000 It's been six years now... Yeah. 959 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,880 ..since that famous, infamous interview with Prince Andrew. 960 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,240 Did you ever think that you would still be talking about it now? 961 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,080 In a way, I wish the whole conversation had started earlier. 962 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:59,400 You know, we knew when we did it that it had to be a document, 963 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,920 a public record, in case it was ever useful. 964 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,760 He was in the room when I arrived. 965 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,680 He looked ready for it. 966 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,360 He looked like a man who had waited a long time 967 00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,200 to kind of get it off his chest, frankly. 968 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:22,320 There is no good time to talk about Mr Epstein. 969 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,160 My sense is that he thought he was his own best weapon 970 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,720 in terms of killing the story dead. 971 00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,240 She says she met you in 2001, 972 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,000 and she went on to have sex with you 973 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,160 in a house in Belgravia belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell. 974 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,720 Didn't happen. 975 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,000 Do you remember her? 976 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,320 No. 977 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,160 He tried to tell me that it was a fake photo. 978 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:53,520 We can't be certain as to whether or not that's my hand on-on-on her, 979 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,720 uh, whatever it is, left...left side. 980 00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,240 He'd worked out his, um, alibi. 981 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:06,440 I'd taken Beatrice to a PizzaExpress in Woking. 982 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,040 His team had thought it had gone pretty well. 983 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,560 NEWSREADER: Britain's Prince Andrew is facing backlash 984 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,160 after a widely criticised television interview. 985 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,240 NEWSREADER 2: One UK paper calling the Prince entitled and obtuse. 986 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,560 NEWSREADER 3: Four days after Newsnight broadcast 987 01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,080 its interview with Prince Andrew, he's made this announcement. 988 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,040 "I have asked Her Majesty if I may step back from 989 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,280 "public duties for the foreseeable future, 990 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,520 "and she has given her permission." 991 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,400 BRYANT: The interview that he gave the BBC, 992 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,680 that was beyond disingenuous. 993 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,640 He started his slow decline 994 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,560 to ultimately being stripped of his princehood. 995 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,960 And I think that that was the beginning of the end. 996 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,920 It's...it's an eye for an eye, a scar for a scar. 997 01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,280 No matter how much I go through therapy, 998 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,680 I'm embedded with scars that will never leave me, ever. 999 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,480 KLASFELD: Virginia Giuffre was also instrumental to 1000 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,040 the downfall of the other person in that photograph - Ghislaine Maxwell. 1001 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,320 In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was sentenced to 20 years in prison 1002 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,240 for sex trafficking and other crimes. 1003 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,920 But there was a growing public outrage 1004 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,760 that she was the only person to face consequences in the Epstein scandal. 1005 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,120 People were asking, "What about the men?" 1006 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,880 No-one had brought charges, 1007 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,560 and this was across Republican and Democratic administrations. 1008 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,360 TOBIN: When and how did concerns about Epstein's crimes 1009 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,400 start spilling over into the territory of the public 1010 01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,440 really wanting to see the files? 1011 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,480 Donald Trump really was the one who prompted that. 1012 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,280 Then he got to be embroiled in it himself. 1013 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:13,520 REPORTER: Donald Trump's name 1014 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,240 is all over these files. 1015 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,520 REPORTER 2: Flight logs show Trump travelled on Epstein's 1016 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,160 private jet many more times than prosecutors were aware. 1017 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,400 LAWYER: Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump? 1018 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,080 What do you mean by "personal relationship", sir? 1019 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,280 Have you socialised with him? Yes, sir. 1020 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,040 Yes? Yes, sir. 1021 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,920 Have you ever socialised with Donald Trump 1022 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:44,040 in the presence of females under the age of 18? 1023 01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,120 Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today, 1024 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,480 I'm going to have to assert my 1025 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,440 Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendment rights, sir. 1026 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,200 KLASFELD: It's indisputable that Trump had 1027 01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,400 a long-term friendship with Epstein. 1028 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,040 He told the world about it. 1029 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,560 Do you still think Jeffrey Epstein is a terrific guy? 1030 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,040 Well, I knew him, like everybody in Palm Beach knew him. 1031 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,600 I mean, people in Palm Beach knew him. 1032 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,440 He was a fixture in Palm Beach. 1033 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,480 KLASFELD: There was the infamous interview 1034 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,040 where he called Epstein a great guy, 1035 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,680 likes women "on the younger side". 1036 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,240 Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday book in 2003 1037 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,440 has a drawing of a nude female figure 1038 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,840 with Trump's name on it. 1039 01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,800 He denies that it's his signature, 1040 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,160 we have multiple handwriting experts 1041 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,120 saying that it is. 1042 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,960 I don't do drawings. 1043 01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,600 I'm not a drawing person. 1044 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,720 KLASFELD: The fact that he had such a long, 1045 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,960 personal friendship with Epstein 1046 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,040 raises questions about 1047 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,960 what he knew about Epstein's behaviour. 1048 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,120 I had a falling out with him a long time ago. 1049 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,640 I don't think I've spoken to him for 15 years. I wasn't a fan. 1050 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,280 TOBIN: When do you think it was that the Epstein files 1051 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,560 actually started becoming a big problem for President Trump? 1052 01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,960 I think it became a problem soon after he assumed office again. 1053 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,240 We are going to drain the swamp, 1054 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,320 and we're going to do it once and for all. 1055 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,800 Prior to his re-election, he had been asked point-blank, 1056 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,080 would you support releasing the files? 1057 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,520 Would you declassify the Epstein files? 1058 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,520 Yeah. Yeah, I would. 1059 01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,400 USCINSKI: And many of the people around him, they said yes. 1060 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,480 Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list. 1061 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,040 That is an important thing. 1062 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,840 How is it that my father can be convicted of 34 crimes, 1063 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:42,440 but no-one on Epstein's list has even been brought to light. 1064 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,400 So, this was a campaign promise 1065 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,760 that they had made to their supporters. 1066 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,680 Ghislaine. Look into her father, Robert Maxwell. 1067 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,360 All the answers are right there. Yeah. Because he was a spy. 1068 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,840 Trump built a coalition of followers 1069 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,720 who are very conspiratorial in their world views 1070 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,360 and were already Epstein conspiracy theorists. 1071 01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,600 You don't know that she's 16, and she takes you in a room 1072 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,120 and that room is filled with cameras, that's... 1073 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,960 Blackmail. Yeah. 1074 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:14,720 So, there were fantasies about massive sex-trafficking rings, 1075 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,080 views about blackmail rings, 1076 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,800 and that Epstein was controlling 1077 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,920 all sorts of rich and powerful people. 1078 01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,200 I believe very strongly he was a spy, yes. 1079 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,800 And who do you think he was working for? 1080 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:25,880 The Israelis. 1081 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,720 USCINSKI: Trump cosied up to QAnon, and it created a lore around him 1082 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,320 that he was bringing down these evil, powerful people, 1083 01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,280 'cause the establishment was entirely corrupt 1084 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,480 and he was the outsider who was going to come in 1085 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:40,960 and drain the swamp. 1086 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,120 So, early in Trump's second term, 1087 01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,040 he appoints Pam Bondi as Attorney-General, 1088 01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,880 and she runs with the Epstein story almost immediately. 1089 01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,360 This is something Donald Trump has talked about. 1090 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,840 The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients? 1091 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,800 KLASFELD: In February of 2025, 1092 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,520 Bondi goes out and says 1093 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:16,000 that she has the Epstein files and the client list on her desk. 1094 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,280 It's sitting on my desk right now, to review. 1095 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,680 That's been a directive by President Trump. 1096 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,200 Then there's a 180-degree reversal. 1097 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,880 There's the release of the July memo 1098 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,200 from the FBI and the Department of Justice. 1099 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,080 And the July memo says an extraordinary thing. 1100 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,160 It says that there are more than 1101 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,440 a thousand survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse, 1102 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,120 and then says there's nothing to investigate, 1103 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,520 there's nothing to release, 1104 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:46,800 turn the other way. 1105 01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,160 There was, quote, "No client list 1106 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,720 "or evidence that he blackmailed prominent figures," 1107 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,320 according to a memo detailing the findings. 1108 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,920 The review also concluded that Epstein died by suicide 1109 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,200 while in custody at a Manhattan correctional facility. 1110 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,440 That memo just sent shock waves throughout the American ether, 1111 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,880 especially with the MAGA base who was so invested. 1112 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,240 All those videos are saying, "Yeah, she's seen the videos, 1113 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,240 "it's all coming out." 1114 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,880 And then now it doesn't exist. I mean, what? What?! 1115 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,440 Joe, wanna check the tweet that Elon just put out? 1116 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,280 "Time to drop the really big bomb. 1117 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,640 "Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. 1118 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,800 "That's the real reason they have not been made public." 1119 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,280 The Jeffrey Epstein case has caused backlash 1120 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,600 within President Trump's base, 1121 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,680 fuelling conspiracy theories that more details exist 1122 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,520 but are being hidden from the public. 1123 01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,680 MAN: I'm not gonna play with these anymore. 1124 01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,400 MAGA hats are off. 1125 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,320 Burn, baby, burn. 1126 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,360 And this is a great representation of what's left of MAGA. 1127 01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,440 I think the President always felt like he could control his MAGA base, 1128 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:55,960 but it's the influencers 1129 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,560 who have also really kept this story alive 1130 01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,760 and have been very critical of him. 1131 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,880 We voted for Trump because we wanted justice, 1132 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,880 and justice involves actually holding accountable 1133 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,560 the people who committed that wrongdoing. 1134 01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,600 It just continued and continued, 1135 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,800 and the President himself kept calling it a hoax. 1136 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,080 Well, I haven't been overly interested in it. 1137 01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,080 You know, it's something... 1138 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,200 It's a hoax that's been built up way beyond proportion. 1139 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,960 I know it's a hoax. It's started by Democrats. 1140 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,160 When you call something a hoax, 1141 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,640 and yet people know that there's a tremendous amount of evidence 1142 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:37,960 out there that it's not a hoax, 1143 01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,800 it makes them only want to know more about it. 1144 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,560 NEWSREADER: The President writing on social media: 1145 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,120 TRUMP: Some stupid Republicans 1146 01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,480 and foolish Republicans fall into the net. 1147 01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:58,160 I call it the Epstein hoax. 1148 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,760 Hello? Hi. Come on in. Hi. 1149 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,080 Marjorie. Yes, hello. 1150 01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,360 Hi, I'm Grace Tobin. Nice to meet you. 1151 01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,000 Nice to meet you, too. Grab a seat under this big ball light. 1152 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,800 Yeah, that's quite a light. I know, isn't it? 1153 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:13,960 Oh, my gosh. Yeah. 1154 01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,240 Do you think that these supporters are losing heart and losing trust 1155 01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,720 in President Trump now because of the Epstein files? 1156 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,520 Many of them, yes. 1157 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,080 It was a line in the sand for them. 1158 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,960 They couldn't understand it the same way I couldn't understand it. 1159 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,760 Why would he cover this up? 1160 01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,920 And that was, um... 1161 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:39,320 That was something that none of us ever expected from President Trump. 1162 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,880 I'm Rick Frazier, and I presently live in St Marys, Ohio. 1163 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,440 Mmm. It's good. 1164 01:09:52,440 --> 01:09:54,160 TOBIN: Mm. Strong? Good coffee. 1165 01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:00,560 I'm a front-row Joe, and I'd show up five, six days ahead of time 1166 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,440 to one of his rallies. 1167 01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:04,200 TRUMP: It's very quick, but it's brutal. 1168 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,040 I still worked hard to help Trump, you know, get elected. 1169 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,000 (CROWD CHEERS) 1170 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,000 But, to be honest with you, it pisses me off that - 1171 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,480 if I can use that language - 1172 01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:16,960 that on one hand, 1173 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,240 we were promised by the President that this is gonna happen. 1174 01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:22,800 Then, on the other hand, 1175 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,920 he turns around and it didn't happen. 1176 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,960 I can't see why he... who he's protecting. 1177 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,720 I honestly, in my mind, don't think he's involved. 1178 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,120 You can be in pictures with anyone, 1179 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,200 but until we got transparency, how do we know? 1180 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,920 NEWSREADER: There is new pressure on the Trump Administration 1181 01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,120 from Republicans looking into the Jeffrey Epstein case. 1182 01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,640 DAVID PAKMAN: Donald Trump is aimed at one of his own, 1183 01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,520 Republican congressman Thomas Massie. 1184 01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,680 TRUMP: This moron Thomas Massie, 1185 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,800 there's something wrong with him. 1186 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,320 When did you first start becoming concerned 1187 01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,080 about what's now known as the Epstein files? 1188 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,400 So, it started a couple years ago for me, 1189 01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,800 and it really came to the forefront 1190 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,960 when President Trump and people in his Cabinet 1191 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,760 promised that they were going to release these files. 1192 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,880 But none of them followed through on their promise, 1193 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,960 which became suspicious to me. 1194 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,480 My Democrat colleague Ro Khanna, from California, 1195 01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:35,840 cares about the victims, 1196 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,000 and so I reached out to him and said, 1197 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:43,200 "Ro, um, if I do a discharge petition, 1198 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:48,960 "do you think you could get every single Democrat to sign it?" 1199 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,560 And he did deliver on that promise. 1200 01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,680 NEWSREADER: Democrat Ro Khanna and Republican Thomas Massie 1201 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,720 are leading a bipartisan push in the House 1202 01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,400 for the release of the Epstein files. 1203 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,080 People feel that the rich and the powerful 1204 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,400 have been not held accountable, 1205 01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,480 that they have a different set of rules, 1206 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,880 and that there may be government officials involved. 1207 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,440 NEWSREADER: Thomas Massie just filed a discharge petition 1208 01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:15,320 to force this vote on releasing the files. 1209 01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,040 That's something that Speaker Mike Johnson 1210 01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,040 has really been trying to avoid. 1211 01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,280 REPORTER: The White House has warned Republicans 1212 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:22,960 not to side with Massie. 1213 01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,720 Even a White House official telling reporters last night 1214 01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,320 that this would be viewed as an act of hostility. 1215 01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:37,600 Well, I have a 98% voting record with the President, 1216 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,560 was one of his most loyal defenders. 1217 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,240 Marjorie Taylor Greene, please come up. Come. 1218 01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,560 CROWD: (CHANTS) MTG! MTG! 1219 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,040 Thank you, Mr President. 1220 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:52,240 Alright, Georgia, we know what we're going to do in 2024. 1221 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,440 He was angry at me for siding with Thomas Massie 1222 01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:58,480 and signing on the discharge petition. 1223 01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:01,040 To me, it was a matter of right and wrong 1224 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,840 and standing up for these women. 1225 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,840 The greatest president in United States history, 1226 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,320 Donald J. Trump, right, Georgia? 1227 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,600 (CROWD ROARS) 1228 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:12,920 CARLSON: Marjorie Taylor Greene, 1229 01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,040 she's the female version of Donald Trump. 1230 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,040 She was full-blood MAGA. 1231 01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,960 So, for her to be one of the people to stand up against him 1232 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,040 is very significant in American politics. 1233 01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,040 He was losing control of the situation. 1234 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,040 TOBIN: When you sign that discharge petition, 1235 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,640 afterwards you took a phone call with President Trump. 1236 01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,360 He said that it was going to hurt people that he knew. 1237 01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:41,840 What people? 1238 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,960 I don't know. I still don't know that to this day. 1239 01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,320 But the way he treated me and the names that he called me, 1240 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,440 sent death threats upon me and then my children. 1241 01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,240 (CROWD CHATTERS AND CHEERS) 1242 01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:00,400 TAYLOR GREENE: This is my fifth year in Congress 1243 01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,640 and this is the largest press conference 1244 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,160 that I've seen since I've been here. 1245 01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,600 KLASFELD: As people like Marjorie Taylor Greene 1246 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,480 started getting involved, the snowball started rolling. 1247 01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:13,880 TAYLOR GREENE: This is not about politics, 1248 01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,520 this is a boiling point in American history. 1249 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,080 KLASFELD: We see some very effective advocacy 1250 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,560 on behalf of the victims themselves. 1251 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,240 Why did he get away with it in 2008? 1252 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:28,160 Why was Jeffrey Epstein so protected? 1253 01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,440 Why was Maxwell the only one held accountable 1254 01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:32,120 when so many others played a role? 1255 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:33,760 Let the public know the truth. 1256 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,360 WOMAN: I speak today not only in service of my own recovery, 1257 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:42,320 but to honour the lives, the courage and sacrifices 1258 01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,920 of Virginia Giuffre 1259 01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,720 and others who could not continue. 1260 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,560 NEWSREADER: Victims of the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein 1261 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,800 have paid tribute to Virginia Giuffre 1262 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,280 at a rally in Washington, DC. 1263 01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,000 She took her own life in April this year. 1264 01:15:01,480 --> 01:15:03,880 BALTZ: It made me very sad when she passed. 1265 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,880 This sort of damage, you can stuff it down for years and years, 1266 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,560 but the effects will always catch up. 1267 01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,600 Virginia said it best, and I quote, 1268 01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,680 "They say time can heal, but this won't. 1269 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,760 "Not until the justice system makes an example out of these people 1270 01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:22,600 "with so-called privileges. 1271 01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,880 "I just call it money." 1272 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:26,040 People believe her now. 1273 01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,400 I mean, she won... 1274 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,040 ..in a sad way. 1275 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,760 KHANNA: So we gather here on the steps of the Capitol 1276 01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,080 to confront these corrupt forces. 1277 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:49,800 We know we have 212 Democrats and we have four Republicans, 1278 01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,640 courageous Republicans. 1279 01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,400 The only supporters that I got from my discharge petition 1280 01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,400 on the Republican side of the aisle were all women. 1281 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,000 Marjorie Taylor Greene, 1282 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,880 Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace. 1283 01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:07,280 They were woken up at 5am in the morning with the President saying, 1284 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,200 "F this, F that. 1285 01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,720 "Get your effing name off of this thing." 1286 01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,040 But, to their credit, all three of those women stayed strong. 1287 01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,040 KLASFELD: There was a time when few believed 1288 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,560 that they would actually be able to get the passage of these files. 1289 01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:28,880 And it was only after it became very clear 1290 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,400 that Trump was going to lose on this vote, 1291 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:35,360 then finally he claimed to support it. 1292 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,960 We've done a great job, and I hate to see that, 1293 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,360 uh, deflect from the great job we've done. 1294 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,760 So I'm all for it. 1295 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,600 What eventually happened was a nearly unanimous vote. 1296 01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:55,160 The yeas are 427, the nays are one. 1297 01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:56,960 The bill is passed, 1298 01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:01,000 and without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. 1299 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,400 (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 1300 01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:09,840 Mr Speaker, today is an extraordinary day in this chamber. 1301 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,280 This is about the powerless 1302 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:18,920 taking power away from the very powerful. 1303 01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,640 When Trump backflipped on it, 1304 01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,720 the survivors won. 1305 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,960 The Senate has passed the bill under unanimous consent! 1306 01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,600 (ALL CHEER) 1307 01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,440 REPORTER: The bill forces the Justice Department 1308 01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:37,800 to release Epstein file documents within 30 days. 1309 01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,320 (ALL CHEER) 1310 01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,280 Once the Epstein Files Transparency Act became law, 1311 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,640 there was a deadline - December 19th - 1312 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,640 for the release of everything. 1313 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,360 REPORTER: Deputy Attorney-General Todd Blanche says, however, 1314 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,440 several hundred thousand pages of records will be made public, 1315 01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:14,800 with more to come in the coming weeks. 1316 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:15,920 Hundreds of thousands... 1317 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,560 FRAZIER: I could sit at home 1318 01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,600 and just stay on the couch and not be involved, 1319 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,200 but being here is historic. 1320 01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,240 We got a few hours till we find out. 1321 01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,880 REPORTER: But we're talking about a tonnage of information 1322 01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,840 that may take some time just to process. 1323 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,520 The Justice Department has now begun 1324 01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,280 the release of the Epstein files. 1325 01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:45,080 The first release was a blip on the radar, not even that. 1326 01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,480 There was a picture of Bill Clinton. 1327 01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:50,000 There was very little about Donald Trump. 1328 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:54,240 It was widely regarded to have few major revelations. 1329 01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,280 NEWSREADER: At least 550 pages were fully redacted. 1330 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,320 NEWSREADER 2: We have just a fraction right now 1331 01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,000 of what is believed to exist. 1332 01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,120 PHILLIPS: It failed, in our book. 1333 01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:05,480 We haven't received full transparency, 1334 01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:07,440 and it's an incomplete release of the files. 1335 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,040 FRAZIER: That must be his... his prison cell. 1336 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,360 I'm pretty disappointed since we were told transparency, 1337 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,440 and we're not really seeing it. 1338 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:21,920 And if that's the best they're gonna do, 1339 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,960 I don't think we're ever gonna get to the truth. 1340 01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,240 This was a slap in the face of survivors. 1341 01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,640 They're flouting the spirit and the letter of the law. 1342 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:37,320 KLASFELD: People kept trying to push for the release of the files, 1343 01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,760 and six weeks later, all of a sudden, 1344 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,560 3.5 million documents hit the public. 1345 01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,920 NEWSREADER: 3 million pages of documents, 1346 01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,560 180,000 images and 2,000 videos. 1347 01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,720 The latest release of files related to 1348 01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,160 the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein is shocking 1349 01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,560 in its size and its content. 1350 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,560 NEWSREADER 2: Of the 180,000 images released, 1351 01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,720 these pictures of the King's brother 1352 01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,840 seem to be what everyone is talking about. 1353 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,960 NEWSREADER 3: Police are assessing claims Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor 1354 01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,400 shared confidential reports with Jeffrey Epstein. 1355 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:18,320 KLASFELD: All of a sudden, there are global investigations in Europe. 1356 01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,440 NEWSREADER: Active investigations are now under way 1357 01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:23,480 in at least 10 countries. 1358 01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:26,480 Poland has launched a probe into the Epstein files 1359 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:30,120 in a search of any potential victims from that country. 1360 01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,280 NEWSREADER: In Europe, the former prime minister of Norway 1361 01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,800 has been charged with gross corruption. 1362 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,040 NEWSREADER 2: Poland's prime minister also says his country 1363 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,840 would investigate possible links between 1364 01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,280 the convicted sex offender 1365 01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,360 and Russian intelligence services. 1366 01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,200 KLASFELD: The people who maintained a friendship with Epstein, 1367 01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,200 communications that they thought were private 1368 01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:52,200 are now filling the pages of newspapers internationally. 1369 01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,640 JESSE WEBER: My gosh, was this embarrassing? 1370 01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,240 Can we start with Peter Attia? 1371 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,880 CHRIS KENNY: Good Lord, another very prominent person 1372 01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,200 caught up in all this is Bill Gates, of course. 1373 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,040 Claims that he picked up 1374 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,240 a sexually transmitted disease from a Russian woman. 1375 01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,400 He's denied that publicly. 1376 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,840 WEBER: We have this footage where Steve Bannon 1377 01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:27,320 is interviewing Epstein to try to rehabilitate Epstein's image. 1378 01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,320 At the same time, people are making sense 1379 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,120 of the 3.5 million files, 1380 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:35,800 there's Congress, who is continuing to investigate this 1381 01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,960 and continuing to call witnesses, 1382 01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,920 including the Attorney-General. 1383 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,760 NEWSREADER: Alright, getting back to our breaking news, 1384 01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,920 Attorney-General Pam Bondi is set to testify 1385 01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,800 before the House Judiciary Committee at any moment now. 1386 01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,160 NEWSREADER 2: Survivors say their identities were exposed 1387 01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,000 because of inadequate redaction. 1388 01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,920 PHILLIPS: Well, right now, we're heading over to the Capitol. 1389 01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:04,360 I have a meeting with Congressman Lou Correa. 1390 01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:08,680 After that, we'll be heading over to Pam Bondi's hearing. 1391 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,320 We have Congress working on our side, 1392 01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,000 and, you know, they want answers just as much as we do. 1393 01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:26,960 Hi. Nice to meet you. Hi. 1394 01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,120 Hi. Lisa. Nice to meet you. Pleasure meeting you. 1395 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,400 Come on in. We have a camera guy following us. 1396 01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,800 Oh, my, I should have put my tie on. 1397 01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,240 I wanna take a moment to acknowledge 1398 01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,240 the Epstein survivors who are here today. 1399 01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,720 I am deeply sorry for what any victim, 1400 01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:51,440 any victim has been through. 1401 01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:57,440 Attorney-General Bondi, will you turn to them now and apologise 1402 01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:02,280 for what your Department of Justice has put them through 1403 01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,520 with the absolutely unacceptable release of 1404 01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,440 the Epstein files and their information. 1405 01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:21,240 PHILLIPS: I was pretty shocked that she just didn't even turn her head, 1406 01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:24,440 just not even just a little bit just to acknowledge. 1407 01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:26,240 It doesn't even have to be an apology, 1408 01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,360 but to acknowledge that we were there 1409 01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,920 and that we represent 1,200 survivors. 1410 01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,680 To my right is an email 1411 01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,480 that was sent by the victims' lawyers to the DOJ. 1412 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:41,080 It was a list of names not to release. 1413 01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,680 They released this email! 1414 01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:48,120 Literally the worst thing you could do to the survivors, you did. 1415 01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,120 And we know you touched the document 1416 01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:51,880 because you redacted the lawyer's name, 1417 01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,160 but you left the survivor's name there. 1418 01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,360 MAN: So, I really have just one question for you. 1419 01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,560 How many of Epstein's co-conspirators have you indicted? 1420 01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:04,680 How many perpetrators are you even investigating? 1421 01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,160 First, you showed a... 1422 01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,240 I find it... How many have you indicted? 1423 01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,640 Excuse me, I'm gonna answer the question. 1424 01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:12,640 Answer my question. 1425 01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:13,960 No, I'm gonna answer the question 1426 01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,640 the way I want to answer the question. 1427 01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,880 No, you can answer the question... Your theatrics are ridiculous. 1428 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,160 ..the way I asked it. 1429 01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,880 PHILLIPS: I really got to see, like, in the flesh, in person, 1430 01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,320 like, wow... 1431 01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,680 ..they really are turning a blind eye to this for whatever reason. 1432 01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,920 And it only makes you think that there's got to be a real reason why, 1433 01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:37,080 right? 1434 01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,840 WOMAN: Madam Attorney-General, will you meet with survivors after this? 1435 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,120 MAN: You're a disgrace to the legal profession and to women. 1436 01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,400 What a shame you are! Shameful person! 1437 01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,920 TOBIN: Are you looking at the reaction 1438 01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,600 in Europe and the UK and other parts of the world 1439 01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,360 and scratching your head with what's going on here? 1440 01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:04,520 Yes. And I see a different attitude overseas. 1441 01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,440 The untouchables are touchable now. 1442 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,560 Breaking news about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor. 1443 01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,240 The BBC understands that he has been arrested on suspicion 1444 01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,400 of misconduct in public office. 1445 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,720 NEWSREADER: It comes weeks after the Justice Department 1446 01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,840 released emails Andrew allegedly sent to 1447 01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,360 the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, in 2010. 1448 01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,680 I think for several years 1449 01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,720 we'd always imagined that it could come to this place 1450 01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:33,920 and he was arrested, 1451 01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,840 and I still found myself absolutely speechless 1452 01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:38,680 for the first couple of hours. 1453 01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,600 NEWSREADER: Andrew was serving as a UK trade envoy at the time, 1454 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,320 and appears to have forwarded Epstein 1455 01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,880 British government documents on trade policy. 1456 01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,280 But this wasn't the story that we were following at all, 1457 01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:49,800 this was something completely different. 1458 01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:54,320 REPORTER: Now Peter Mandelson, who was the UK ambassador to the US, 1459 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,120 has also now been arrested. 1460 01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,760 And, you know, it's fascinating to see how far this chain will go. 1461 01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,320 We are probably only at the very beginning. 1462 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,400 Over two dozen people have resigned - 1463 01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,560 CEOs, members of government worldwide - 1464 01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,600 but I haven't seen any arrests or investigations 1465 01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:15,280 here in the United States from this Department of Justice. 1466 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:20,320 As an American journalist looking at everything happening in Europe, 1467 01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:24,360 this is how sophisticated democracies react 1468 01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:25,760 to alarming information - 1469 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,000 they investigate. 1470 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,680 I have nothing to hide. I've been exonerated. 1471 01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,280 I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. 1472 01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,240 KLASFELD: What we're seeing in the United States is 1473 01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,840 Trump's Justice Department trying to say 1474 01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,040 that there is nothing to see here. 1475 01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,160 WEBER: Is there evidence that Jeffrey Epstein 1476 01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:45,400 was trafficking girls to other powerful men? 1477 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,720 According to the Associated Press's review of the files, 1478 01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,160 the FBI says no. 1479 01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,360 In regards to the sex trafficking and the abuse, 1480 01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,760 do you personally know of evidence 1481 01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,480 that exists within the Department of Justice, 1482 01:27:01,480 --> 01:27:05,160 within the FBI, that has not come out yet? 1483 01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,680 I do. I do. 1484 01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,560 BALTZ: You know, when you have different girls 1485 01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:18,560 telling the same stories, corroborating each other... 1486 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,320 ..that's powerful, really powerful. 1487 01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:23,680 So, and again, 1488 01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:28,840 I think we have to believe victims and survivors of this sort of thing. 1489 01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,760 I know of people that girls were traded out to 1490 01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,720 that have not come out. 1491 01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:42,560 I tend to believe that 1492 01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,080 this story is going to outlive me 1493 01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,400 because it's filled with so many mysteries, 1494 01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:49,840 things people don't know. 1495 01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,720 We don't know the depth of the cover-up yet, 1496 01:27:55,720 --> 01:28:01,680 but I think this will eventually rank up there with, uh, Watergate. 1497 01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,920 CARLSON: Hopefully the American public's 1498 01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,200 going to continue to care about this story 1499 01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:10,960 and continue to demand that we get all of the answers. 1500 01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,920 We're done laying down and being quiet. 1501 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:17,680 Now we're screaming in public. 1502 01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:21,600 BANNON: It's a serious question. Oh, sorry. 1503 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,840 Do you think you're the devil himself? 1504 01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:25,640 I don't know. Why would you say that? 1505 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,160 Because you have all the attributes. You're incredibly smart. 1506 01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:29,920 You remember, the devil... Is the devil smart? 1507 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,600 The devil's brilliant. 1508 01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,640 SPENCER: Jeffrey Epstein was the true epitome of evil. 1509 01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:40,800 Very polished, wealthy, well-spoken, very intelligent man. 1510 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,040 And he used all of that for evil. 1511 01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,040 MAITLIS: We do not do this story justice 1512 01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,240 if we think it starts and ends with Epstein. 1513 01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:52,480 Of course it doesn't. 1514 01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:55,520 There is so much further to go. 1515 01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,040 Captions by Red Bee Media 1516 01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,040 Copyright Australian Broadcasting Corporation